Tuesday, May 22, 2007

Circumcision


I have never had the privilege of seeing an uncircumcised penis in person, pictures yes, in the flesh no! I assumed that most (meaning like 95% of men were circumcised) but I was way off. When my son was born it was a no-brainer for us, he was going to be cut. I don't regret it and I would do it again for the next one too. But there seems to be a declining trend in circumcision which I was totally not aware of.


The rate of U.S. babies being circumcised before leaving the hospital has gone from 85% in 1965 to only 57% in 2004. In the Midwest, 80% of boys are circumcised compared with 59% in the South and 32% in the West.


Wow, that is crazy! I really assumed that everyone had their son's circumcised. Is circumcision a form of genital mutilation? In Africa, woman have their vagina's sewn together to ensure virgin marriages, and that is just disgusting, but are we doing the same thing to boys by cutting off their foreskin? What is the purpose of foreskin anyway? Since I am a Midwesterner, most of our boys are cut, but in the South, just under 1/3 are. I know that there are medical reasons to circumcise because of infection, but at the same time it is a seemingly unnecessary cosmetic surgery that were are putting the baby boys through that risks infection anyway.


Just curious what everyone's opinion on circumcision is!

127 comments:

zen wizard said...

I am pro-circumcision, because if the rabbi saves the foreskins, he can make them into a wallet.

Which is convenient, because if you just rub it a little, it will turn into a briefcase...

(That one never gets old!!)

Jeannie said...

Prior to my husband, I had only seen helmut heads too. My husband has an anteater. I'm not sure if that was typical in Ireland at the time or a rebellion on his Jewish mother's part. Way back in the early 80's when I had my boys, they were discouraging circumcision and although I believe most parents went ahead and did it anyway, we didn't. So my boys are anteaters too. I have no idea how they feel about it or whether they feel different than their friends, they never brought it up to me as kids and certainly aren't about to now I'm thinking. There was a little extra to teach them hygiene-wise but that was done when they were very little.

Sarah said...

I have no experience with this but I have seen what it is like for new mothers in the hospital, it seems they get bullied around a little. I wonder how muchof the decision is the parents and how much is the hospital telling new parents what is right?

Sarah said...

by the way, helmet head and anteater is fantastic!

captain corky said...

I'm going to have my son circumcised. From what I've heard I think it's just healthier. I might talk to the doctor about it on our next visit to get her insights.

Jenny! said...

Zen:
I have never heard that one, but am going to share that!

Jenny! said...

Jeannie:
Thanks for your input...that helps to have someone with experience with anteaters!!! That made my day!

Jenny! said...

Sarah:
I think it probably depends on your OBGYN and his/hre opinions. I personally didn't feel pressure either way in the hospital, but I am not one ot fall to pressure about things that I have my mind set to so the matter wasn't really up for discussion, but I can see how different parental situations could be affected by doctors sway.

Jenny! said...

Captain:
It wasn't even an option to not have our son cut. I didn't talk to my doctor either, that was just what we wanted. But I would be interested in what a professional has to say about the matter...let me know what is said!

Beanie's Appa said...

The American Academy of Pediatrics tells you not to circumcise for health reasons. The supposed health benefits aren't large enough to outweigh the risks (both are low, so they don't stop you from doing it).

The foreskin does have purposes. It's not a useless flap of skin. First of all, it has more dense nerve endings than your fingers. It's as sensitive as your lips. Second, it protects the head which should be an internal organ. The head stays inside, nice and moist and cozy, no rubbing on undies or anything, no drying out, waiting till it's time to play. The foreskin doesn't even separate from the head before birth, so in the diapered years, no sewage can get on the head to irritate it. You shouldn't retract a baby's foreskin.

So of course, our son is an anteater. He's too young to appreciate it, yet, but so far, he's had none of the feared UTI's, or any of the stuff people try to scare you with to get you to cut him.

Hammer said...

They don't do them in most hospitals around here. My neice had to find a jewish doctor to do her son's It got infected and he was almost permanently disfigured.

The doctors say it's unnecesary and risky and most won't do it in case something goes wrong.

Jenny! said...

Beanie's Appa:
Thank you, that was actually very helpful! So since there are more dense nerve endings does that mean 1-minute men are more like 30-second men??? Just kidding! But seriously, thanks for filling me in. I really had no idea about this whole anteater trend!

Jenny! said...

Hammer:
REALLY! I am shocked to hear all this! I am so in the dark I suppose, but since I live in the midwest and we have the highest percentage of circumcised boys in the US, I guess its a location thing. Thank you for sharing!

Beanie's Appa said...

Actually, it doesn't speed them up.

What happens is cut men have less rich sensation - less nerves and thickened skin on the head. I've read one man's account from being circumcised as an adult (not for a medical problem). He said it was like going from Colored vision to Black&White, and further said all the cut guys who couldn't imagine anything better is like colorblind people saying "I can't imagine color!"

So what's happening with 1 minute men who are cut, is that they only have sexual sensations ON and OFF. They have to seek out tighter holes and pump like a motorbike piston - their bodies are automatically trying to get a normal sexual sensation with half the nerves, but uncut guys (or guys lucky enough to have a loose cut) have a range of sensations in between and can take it slow and easy, and reach climax on their terms.

Personally, I had problems in puberty because my circumcisor cut way too much, so I had not enough skin to cover my erections - a complication you won't see on babies' medical charts. But lucky for me I found an uncut doctor and foreskin restoration therapy (regrow the skin, not the nerves, of course).

I'd like to see it become like tattoos and female circumcision: something parents can't consent for their kids, the kids have to wait till their 18 if they want it.

jungle jane said...

fucking hell Jenny - its happened again - are we twins or what? i am going to check your blog before i post in future!

Jenny! said...

Beanie:
So you were circumcised, had complications and then had it regrown? When you had problems with not enough skin, does that mean you would rip? If these questions are too personal, you don't have to answer. I think that is a good idea to let 18yr. olds decide to cut or not, but isn't that more painful when your older???

Jenny! said...

JJ:
Your like my sister from another mister! Very weird!

jungle jane said...

you must be the evil twin. i would be the nice, demure twin...of course.

i'm not a fan of the foreskin...i even have the nickname Foreskin Jane among my friends due my distrust of them. although it does seem to be a very barbaric thing to do...

Jenny! said...

JJ:
I must be the evil twin, b/c you are obviously virginal and innocent! I am not a huge fan of the extra skin either, I like them clean and cute!

Beanie's Appa said...

Well, :) it is personal, and some people would say TMI, but you asked... so... it would be uncomfortably tight, has a weird, unnatural looking curve, and hairy scrotal skin would ride up on the base.

So of course I was mad enough to tell my mom as an adult, and she just sorta said "in the 70's they really didn't ask, they just did it." And the only reason I know so much is that it wasn't good enough for me to not cut my son, I had to have strong enough arguments to convince every naysayer in my family and friends that we were doing the right thing.

About the regrowth, just google "foreskin restoration" and you'll find plenty of sites, which means there are tons of men out there unhappy being cut. "his body, his choice". All techniques use the basic idea of keeping the shaft skin under tension to cause it to grow longer, like a fat man's belly causes more skin to grow, so if he suddenly lost alot of weight, he'd still have all that flappy extra skin.

:) My wife is looking over my shoulder, rolling her eyes "you're blogging on that again??"

Beanie's Appa said...

Oh, didn't answer your last question. Isn't it more painful for older guys to have it done? Yes and No. Sorta.

For adults, it hurts longer, because older guys are bigger, and older, so it takes longer to heal (and they are more vocal about it - remember, babies can't talk). However, less than 1% of men will ever need it.

BUT, for babies, you can't use general anastesia, just a local, which itself is a shot in the penis, ouch! They used to use None !!!! and said "he just slept through it" but they did brainscans on some babies in the 90's and found out it really did hurt like hell - hurt so bad the babies weren't "sleeping" they were just too shocked to react, so shocked they normally passed out. When we took the newborn care class at our hospital, they said if you want to circumcise, fine, but they won't do it without anastesia.

Jenny! said...

Beanie:
Interesting...thank you for sharing! When they circumcised our son they put a numbing cream on instead of a shot. I will have to Google that later at home, not sure my co-workers would appreciate it!

Joel said...

considering that the foreskin has over 10,000 specialized nerve endings in it.

and that it feels GOOD to own one.

makes most activities that involve a penis easier, because the skin moves back and forth easily.


theres REALLY no reason to circumcise your baby. if something goes wrong, then yes, thats a valid reason..

but you dont get get a cavity filled before you get a cavity in the first place.

proper hygeine and care is enough to keep everything working ABSOLUTELY fine.

its easy to teach, and theres no body part you'll have an easier time convincing your son to clean in the shower. seriously.

if you let your personal TASTE affect whether or not you have your son circumcised.. i think that says a lot about the kind of parent you are.

now, i think a LOT of people have gotten their sons circumcised before they knew better, and you cant really fault them for that.. but if you can REALISE that its not necessary anymore, we have running water, and we know that its a useful body part..

you should just LEAVE IT ALONE.


its not your body to do with as you please. it might hurt when he's older, but it will also be up to him. and, i'll bet you 1000 dollars that if theres nothing actually WRONG with it, theres no way he's going to get rid of it.

its just too damn fun to play with. :p


and, i also think that you girls only like circumcised penises better because thats what you grew up with, it was normal, and all your friends and friends boyfriends were circumcised back when you were growing up.

thats simply not the case anymore.

only 14 percent of boys were circumcised in canada last year.

by the time your kids are growing up, most girls will think uncut is normal... and your sons wont exactly be able to run out and get a surgery to fix that one either.

Jenny! said...

Joel:
Well thanks for your comment! It's always nice to have a new face tell me what a horrible mother I am b/c I circumcised my son!

Yes, I do like circumcised penis better b/c yes that is what I am use to...so what! Does that make me the bad guy??? It's a good thing I don't live in Canada...I would be have to become a lesbo since carpet munching is more appealing!

mutleythedog said...

No one round here thinks boys should be circumcised -other than at the Synagogue. However,nipple piercing at birth is the norm....

Jenny! said...

Mutley:
Just nipple piercing, what about tongue???

Yoda said...

Whooohooo!! This post has way too many informative comments anyways :-)

So, I'll just cut it short and add that I'm not cut, and I can TOTALLY believe that there are so many nerve endings out there. I love the way I am. However, if someone is circumcised and they like it, well, good for them!!

josh williams said...

I'm pro choice.Which reminds me of the true story of the poor little boy born with out eyelids, well they took his foreskin and made eyelids! Hes fine you would never know although he is a little cockeyed.

Fever Dog said...

I'm anti-circumcision. I think it's outdated, and there is little evidence for it being "cleaner". However, I acknowledge more recent reports that it has appeared to lessen the risk of HIV infection -- but don't think it should ever be done for that sole reason.

Ratty. said...

Circumcision is great for men of the Jewish and Moslem faith. Me, I'm happy with my three inches of slack and I intend keeping it. I scrub under it daily and it's how a cock should look - as nature intended.

Jenny:What is the purpose of foreskin anyway?

It so your old chap can expand to about 5 times its normal size without lifting you off your feet. On a personal note, when I've got a wood on there is not an inch of slack in site.

DoGGa said...

I'm circumcised, but it's not normal practice here in the UK - It has to be for a complication or other problem, otherwise it's left intact.
I think it's wrong to mess with the human body for no reason, especailly at a young age when the person can't make a decision for themselves, it's wrong to make it for them, when it's done for no good reason and they have to live with it for the rest of their lives, not the person who decided it for them!!!
Just because everyone else does it, doesn't mean it's right!

On the other hand, all my girlfriends have liked it and women seem to like it in general, so that's COOL! :0)

Jenny! said...

Yoda:
Yes, very informative comments, I have been schooled!

Thank you for being understanding of the "cut" people as well and not demeaning.

Jenny! said...

Josh:
Thanks for your comment! That's kind of a creative solution for those doctors to have though of.

Jenny! said...

FeverDog:
I didn't even know that pro or anti circumcision was a thing - so now I know.

Jenny! said...

Ratty:
Good to know, thanks! I am really glad to hear that you clean that beast daily!

Jenny! said...

Dogga:
Glad the chicks dig your dick! As far as making that choice for your son before he has a say, isn't that what parenting is all about unitl they are old enough for choices. I made the choice to circumcise my son and I would do it again. He will have that choice to make for his kids and I am okay with that.

Jenny! said...

To all my commentors:

This topic seemed to be a bit touchy for a few and I am sorry if I have offended anyone with my circumcision ignorance. Thank you for all the information that was provided, I had no idea that circumcising wasn't the norm, now I do, however; I stand behind the decision I made to circumcise my son, I would do it for my next son as well. The one thing I don't appreciate is someone making blanket statements about my parenting, example: "i think that says a lot about the kind of parent you are". I don't mind criticism and differentiating opinions, but please don't comment on the kind of mother I am, you have no idea.

Ratty. said...

Jenny.
I don't mind criticism and differentiating opinions, but please don't comment on the kind of mother I am, you have no idea.

Right on - you tell the fuckers.

Just a little aside, I am sure that religious circumcision (Jewish and Moslem + some others) is grounded in the geographical locations of those faiths as is burial. The reason these faiths say you should be buried within 24 hours is because it's fucking hot and much more than 24 hours you are going to start to knock on a bit and attract the flies. Circumcision makes it easier to wash your old boy and keep it clean when there is very little water and it is 130% in the shade

Jenny! said...

Ratty:
Fuckers!

Fever Dog said...

I hope it didn't seem like I was casting any sort aspersions on you as a parent. I might have opinions on this, but I don't have any doubts about you.

Jenny! said...

Fever Dog:
Thanks, my comment wasn't directed at you.

I welcome people's opinions who respectuflly disagree, and this was something that I didn't know alot about! It just bothers me that other people (not you) will judge my parenting based on my feelings towards circumcision!

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Anonymous said...

Circumcision is genital mutilation and should never be done for any reason. Shame on those of you who have opted to mutilate your sons. Their lives will suffer because of your choices.

Anonymous said...

As a woman from the UK, where circumcision is rare, I have to admit that although I have had a couple of circumcised boyfriends, I find circumcised penises really off-putting and unattractive. It may not be a dealbreaker, but it is definitely something that makes me think twice about whether I want to go there.

I am happy for men to get circumcised as adults, when they can make the decision themselves, but I strongly believe that making that decision for a baby is morally wrong. It should NOT be the parents' decision - it should be a decision every male has the right to make for themselves as an adult. It is a big deal.

Those of you who think infant circumcision is ok - do you also think it is ok to remove the labia and clitoral hoods from baby girls, because it may make it easier to wash later in life and because many men in the US don't like girls with 'excess skin' down there? It is EXACTLY the same. I am always shocked that so many people think it is ok to do that to baby boys, but would see the same surgery on girls as mutilation.

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